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| Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper in a pick-up hockey game with fellow fascists |
I spent a half an hour this morning in an online discussion about whether or not Stephen Harper, Canada's prime minister, is a fascist. I don’t know why I bother but it’s my own fault.
I know that as soon as I see or hear the words ‘regime’, ‘fascist’, ‘oppression’, ‘dictator’ and other words of their ilk, there really isn’t going to be much point to the discussion. In a country that is as democratic and free as Canada, using words like that betrays how poorly informed the individual and how weak the argument. It’s usually the sign of yet another ideological hissy-fit rather than anything closely resembling objective and informed analysis.
I know that as soon as I see or hear the words ‘regime’, ‘fascist’, ‘oppression’, ‘dictator’ and other words of their ilk, there really isn’t going to be much point to the discussion. In a country that is as democratic and free as Canada, using words like that betrays how poorly informed the individual and how weak the argument. It’s usually the sign of yet another ideological hissy-fit rather than anything closely resembling objective and informed analysis.
I get so tired of it. It’s almost like we’ve lost the ability to actually think rather than just react.
I don’t know when disagreeing with a government suddenly meant that the government was fascist but that’s the current buzz word. It’s being tossed about in democracies all over the world and against governments on both sides of the political divide. It’s absurd. The person I tried to speak with this morning went so far as to try and compare Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper with Benito Mussolini. It doesn’t get much sillier than that.
Personally I find it offensive. We have this wonderful opportunity to discuss and debate real issues in an attempt to find solutions but it is being squandered by unenlightened, petty-bourgeois, pseudo-intellectual elites intent on proving their prejudice and intolerance are actually righteous indignation.People are dying in places like Syria to get out from under repressive regimes and gain what is so carelessly taken for granted here by people who throw around extreme language about oppression as they sip their Starbucks mocha lattes.
Canada is a country where people are free to say pretty much what they want, when and where they want, no matter how stupid it is. People have been tortured, died and/or have simply disappeared for saying a lot less in many other countries.
I'm not particularly fond of Stephen Harper. I find him mean-spirited, hypocritical, cynical and opportunistic. I think he has the ethics of a cheap used-car salesperson on a back lot. In other words, he is pretty much like most politicians these days, just one more in a long line of people who put their party and winning and maintaining power ahead of their country and its citizens. But having said that, let’s look at the issue. Is the Harper government fascist? According to Wikipedia, fascism is defined as follows:
“Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.”
While there is much for which to criticize the current Conservative government, I fail to see much in common with it and this definition. Let’s look at it point by point.
Individuals united in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture and blood. The current government has a number of members from the English, French, Sikh, Chinese and other cultures which tends to contradict this idea. Goodness gracious, it even has gays and women in powerful cabinet positions. To go a step further, it was the Harper government that went so far as to introduce legislation recognizing Quebec as a distinct society within Canada which also contradicts this part of the definition and it was the Conservatives who went out of their way to successfully attract ethnic voters (a constituency that had pretty much been the sole province of the Liberals) in the last election. So let’s move on.
A single-party totalitarian state.
The last time I looked there were five political parties represented in the House of Commons one more than the four from the last parliament. There were even more which fielded candidates in the election. If a single-party state is an objective of fascism, either the Conservatives aren’t really fascists or in the alternative they’re just not very good at it.
Mass mobilization of the nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education and eugenics.
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| Martial Law declared in Canada by Liberal government of Pierre Trudeau 1970 |
It’s pretty hard to mobilize a country to one ideology when it offers the freedom to all to form their own opinions and to express those opinions freely. There has been no crackdown or censorship of the media or of free-speech.
Some have tried to suggest that the police response to rioters during the G8/G20 protests are an indication of a federal government suppressing the right of dissent but that was the City of Toronto police service over which the Conservative government has no control. Nor does it even come close to the Liberal declaration of martial law in response to the FLQ crisis which put troops in our streets (something the Paul Martin Liberals would later accuse Stephen Harper of wanting to do during the 2005 election campaign). It was state-control unlike anything Canada had ever experienced before (or since). Virtually over night, the rights of Canadian citizens were stripped and hundreds were rounded up, arrested and taken from their homes without warrant and held without habeus corpus, which the Trudeau Liberal government had suspended.
Some have tried to suggest that the police response to rioters during the G8/G20 protests are an indication of a federal government suppressing the right of dissent but that was the City of Toronto police service over which the Conservative government has no control. Nor does it even come close to the Liberal declaration of martial law in response to the FLQ crisis which put troops in our streets (something the Paul Martin Liberals would later accuse Stephen Harper of wanting to do during the 2005 election campaign). It was state-control unlike anything Canada had ever experienced before (or since). Virtually over night, the rights of Canadian citizens were stripped and hundreds were rounded up, arrested and taken from their homes without warrant and held without habeus corpus, which the Trudeau Liberal government had suspended.
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| Canadian troops on streets in Ottawa and Montreal |
Even the state-owned national broadcaster trashes the government with impunity and gets paid handsomely ($1 billion/yr) to do so. The recent Occupy nonsense underscores just how far government is willing to allow dissent to go. It cost this country more than $2 million in damages but there wasn’t a peep out of the federal government or any attempt to shut Occupy down by the Conservatives.
I don’t see any sign of eugenics happening any time soon either although the Conservative government did put through a small tax deduction towards certain sports activities for children. I suppose technically that qualifies as mass mobilization of the nation through physical education but to be honest it’s a pretty tepid attempt at state control at best.
The simple fact is that the current hysteria has nothing to do with fascism and everything to do with too many people who confuse their personal dislike for something as rational political analysis. Too many of these people are guided by ill-informed opinion that makes their positions so weak that the only thing left to them is to demonize the opposition.
Personally, I don’t care if we agree or not on an issue and I enjoy a good debate where people trade points of view. It’s a time-honoured method of moving an issue forward but what passes for debate today is specious. It’s degenerated to the same kind of over-the-top and inane name-calling of spoiled school children who don’t like and bully the unpopular kid in the class.
If you removed the words Stephen Harper and/or Conservative and replaced them with the label of a religious or cultural group, some of the commentary would actually be charged as a hate crime and the person responsible would be prosecuted under existing laws passed by the Liberals.
The bourgeoisie don't like to see themselves that way, of course, they're too busy demonizing others but they should remind themselves that the thing we fear in others tends to be the thing we most fear in ourselves.
If you removed the words Stephen Harper and/or Conservative and replaced them with the label of a religious or cultural group, some of the commentary would actually be charged as a hate crime and the person responsible would be prosecuted under existing laws passed by the Liberals.
The bourgeoisie don't like to see themselves that way, of course, they're too busy demonizing others but they should remind themselves that the thing we fear in others tends to be the thing we most fear in ourselves.
It’s absurd to suggest that Stephen Harper is a fascist just as it is absurd to label Pierre Trudeau a tyrannical dictator.Most politicians are opportunists who walk a fine line between what they think the country wants and what they believe is best for the country. Do they usually get it right? Sometimes but not always; opportunism and politics often get in the way for all political parties.
Most politicians and their parties pander to various special interest groups. The Conservatives, Liberal and NDP all have theirs and the Green Party would have more of them if they were larger with a broader appeal or could find more available groups to which to pander.
The simple reality is that all political parties campaign from either the left or the right but govern from the centre. That’s just a hard cold fact and even the Conservatives have been criticized extensively by the media and others for hugging the centre line when they're not being accused of being Nazis.
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| How North Korea maintains control of its citizens |
Mussolini and Hitler were fascist dictators. Kim Jung Il, Stalin and Sadaam Hussein were tyrants who terrorized and murdered their own people. That’s tyranny. There isn’t a Canadian politician, including Stephen Harper who has even come close or a Canadian citizen living in anything that is even remotely akin to the oppression of countries like Syria, North Korea or China, so let’s tone down the rhetoric and get back to reality. (although the rounding up and imprisonment of Japanese Canadians during the second world war comes fairly close)
It’s one thing to disagree with, debate and even criticize certain policies and political philosophy, it’s an entirely different thing to characterize those with whom you disagree as something they aren’t. That’s nothing but cheap hysterical hyperbole at best or extremist propaganda at worst by an intellectually lazy and arrogant elite.
Whatever you call it, it is definitely self-indulgent stupidity and this country isn’t well-served by it.
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Stephen Harper is a fascist. PERIOD.
ReplyDeleteHe was found in contempt of parliament because he was unable and unwilling to abide by the rule of law and democratic processes in our Country.
He also has restricted any real democratic debate in his own party and will not allow any dissenting views. Furthermore, 77% of people in Canada, whether they voted or not, did not vote for Stephen Harper. That being said how does he have a mandate to go against public opinion.
Also, comparing him to others that perhaps were more fascist in nature doesn't make him a non-fascist, just less of a fascist. You seem willing to tolerate this sort of political behavior until it gets to the extreme, while I would suggest not tolerating it at all.
I will conclude assuming that you enjoy democracy as much as I because you like to incite debate and encourage discussion. I may not agree with you but I will never go as far as calling you stupid. I would however like to ask how will you continue to enjoy your love for democracy and freedom when the conservatives bring in this new internet bill and destroy any real debate?
I love the way people try to twist facts to try and strengthen their point. Suggesting that Stephen Harper was elected by only 25% of the population who did or didn't vote is intellectually dishonest. That number includes children and others who either didn't or who were ineligible to vote.
DeleteThe true numbers are that Harper received his mandate from 40% of those who voted. The NDP receieved 30%, half of which was in Quebec, the Liberals received 19% and the Bloc Quebequois, Greens and others got the balance.
Your comment pretty much proves the point I was trying to make.
My comment does not support your position in the slightest and you did not answer my ending question. In response to your suggestion that I am twisting the facts, voter turnout for the 2011 Election was 61.1% of eligible voters. Stephen Harper had a 40% majority of those who turned out to vote. If you include the percentage of eligible voters (not children and those ineligible to vote) who did not vote, that means that Stephen Harper only had 24.44% of support in this Country. So I'm pretty bang on with my numbers.
DeleteI'm not surprised you don't understand how your comment supports my article.
DeleteIf we use your numbers, that means that all of the other parties were pretty close to being in single digits. Like I said, it is intellectually dishonest and gamesmanship for no other purpose than to try and shore up an absurd argument.
People who didn't vote have no right to complain. I don't consider bill c-30 to be a major threat to democracy. The bill is clear in what it permits, and for the record, 95% of all requests by law enforcement for the information this bill will now require be turned over, is already voluntarily turned over. I doubt that adding the other 5% is going tear the country down. We are always more threatened by a lack of clarity which only leads to law enforcement having now boundaries. This bill provides boundaries to what they are already doing.
Now I will ask you this question. If not bill C-11, what do propose as an alternative to deal with pedophile rings which are on the increase, hackers, copyright infringement, scams, identity theft and virus manufacturers? In the real world, we have laws to deal with crime. What do you propose for the Internet where crime is out of control?
Contempt of Parliament is a crime. It has not been dealt with and sets a dangerous precedent for future generations where our elected officials are not accountable to the rule of law. This crime should not be ignored and should carry stiffer penalties because it undermines our democratic country as a whole and creates public distrust in our institutions. I suggest Harper lead by example.
DeleteIf Stephen Harper was actually concerned about crime in this country, he would not be stiffening penalties for marijuana growers but child rapists and pedophiles.
The fact that someone gets half to a third of the penalty for raping a child versus growing a few plants is appalling.
Not to mention, this increase in penalties for small time growers only increases gang violence and strengthens their position in the black market. A violent market that would not exist if it were legal.
Furthermore, with the amount of rights abuse and police brutality being linked the RCMP, do we really need to give them more power?
Taking what your told at face value by Minister Vic Toews and spreading his propaganda is fear mongering.
How do you know that these crimes are actually on the rise? Or could they perhaps be trying to scare us into giving up our essential rights?
Perhaps you are right.. Every freedom loving Canadian who enjoys their personal privacy is a copyright infringing, identity stealing, virus manufacturing pedophiliac scam artist. I think not!
I will leave you with this quote...
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
Contempt of Parliament is a serious matter and is based on a violation of the privilege of the House and its members. The contempt issue was presented in the House by the Liberals as a non-confidence motion. The Conservative government lost. The penalty was the forced resignation of the government which triggered an election putting the decision back in the hands of the people. That is parliamentary procedure and that, sir, is democracy.
DeleteYour last paragraph is yet again, another example of how you simplify and use extreme characterization to shore up your silly arguments. At no time have I suggested that every Canadian is an Internet criminal. What I have suggested based on fact from studies conducted all over the world is that Internet crime is increasing exponentially. Only a paranoid fool refuses to acknowledge that.
The crime has become increasingly sophisticated and the damages and losses in 2011 alone total more than $274 billion.
Norton, one of the leading providers of anti-virus and other system protection software conducted a study in 2011 and asserted that one million people a day and more than 474 million in 2011 alone, were the victims of some form of cybercrime. This mirrors the findings of countless other studies which also indicates that sophisticated methods of using online technology are now being provided to novices to make it easy for them to use against the innocent.
Coupled with this is a growing sophistication in the use of technology on the Internet for pedophiles.
As the victim of not one but two pedophiles in my childhood and having first-hand knowledge of its effect throughout a person’s life, I find the trivializing of the impact of pedophile cyber-crime as offensive as I find your ignorance of the increase in cyber crime appalling.
It would be better if you took your silly arguments elsewhere. I'm tired of people like you who look on their democratic governments as a threat and with mistrust; while they align themselves with people they don't know in aiding and abetting a growing community of online criminals, hackers and pedophiles out of some confused and misguided sense of defending freedom.
Maggie's Bear - Conservative radio host Michael Berry says that 1/3 of the people are a total waste of time, 1/3 agree with you and the 1/3 that are open to discussion are the ones that you should invest your time and effort on.
ReplyDeleteBTW - Canadians know that we wish you were the 51st state, I've always wondered, how do you all feel about that?
Interesting breakdown of percentages and I don't disagree although sometimes finding that 1/3 that agree with me is difficult.
DeleteAs to your question, it's interesting but there have always been some who thought joining the US might be in Canada's interest but I think that has dwindled. I think Canada is maturing as a nation and as it does, it is gaining even more confidence in itself and what it is capable of.
As you can see from the previous comment, there is a considerable passion in this country that used to be looked on with disdain not so long ago.
I think most Canadians would prefer to remain Canadians now but we'd like to think of our next door neighbour more as family than just friends.
Bear ... you're arguing valiantly with someone calling themselves 'anonymous' ... LOL ...
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